Hello there,
We have a Liquid Handler from the company Copan in our Lab, the „Cyclone“.
It is a machine that can process microbiological plates automatically. It uses Hamilton Zeus pipettes.
I put 2 samples at a time on the device and while it is diluting the first sample the second sample has to wait until the first dilution series is done. My results compared to manual plating look good for the first sample but for the second sample they are not matching. It is always too high. It seems to me that the device is not mixing the sample enough again after it standing for a while and the bacteria cells settle down to the bottom. I think it then aspirates a high concentrated part of the liquid and that’s why the results are too high.
I am currently mixing a 20 ml sample 10 times 800 microliters. I already tried to use a different container and only 10 ml of sample but the results were the same. Today I tried to mix 20 times, I will have the results in a few days.
I cannot mix more volume than 1 ml, I use 0.8 ml currently because it is mixing crazy fast.
Do you have any ideas what I can try? Different mixing velocities? Do you have experience with mixing of samples on liquid handlers? I would very much appreciate any input!
Hi, could you prepare the dilution of your 2 samples in the same time ? In whitch kind of tube are your samples? Do you have the possibility to upgrade your liquid Handler to add a 5mL channel ?
Rather than using defined mix steps, I’d probably try to aspirate at a fixed height, then dispense at a different fixed height in the tube in a loop. Personally I would try aspirating from towards the bottom and then dispensing towards the top but it could be better the other way around.
Not sure what your interface looks like for controlling the pipettes, but adding a mix on those aspirate and dispenses for a couple of cycles for each of those steps can help too.
I wouldn’t over-mix excessively because that can cause frothing with your bacterial culture. Just out of curiosity, do you eject tips after the first dilution?
Hello,
Unfortunately I cannot prepare the dilution series at the same time. I also cannot upgrade the pipettor to use 5 ml Pipette tips.
My samples are in 12 ml tubes because in total I have a volume of 10 ml in these.
That sounds like a good idea. I cannot Programm these steps myself and need the vendor for this but I will suggest this to them and hope they will try.
I hate to say it but 800uL is not going to be anywhere close to be able to mix 20mL of sample, regardless of the number of mixing cycles in the method. Bacterial cells clump very easily, and the reason your first container is successful is most likely due to resuspension being done manually when its container is first being placed on the deck. I don’t think pipette mixing will work for you in this situation.
Fortunately, you will probably have decent success with an on-deck shaker. Most of them are pricey, but you should only need 1 for this to work. I would just make sure that:
The shaker can hold your containers correctly and mix without issue with your large volumes.
The on deck shaking can be continuous and running concurrently during other machine steps.
The shaker can effectively hold your containers, or you can use containers that fit the shaker that are compatible to your samples.
Your instrument can move the containers on and off the shaker, and/or you are willing to manually move them at the appropriate time during the assay.
Let me know what you think, there are a lot of shaker options to choose from. It’s a bit of an investment, but they are absolutely necessary for large-volume laboratory liquid handling automation solutions.
Thanks for your reply! Right now there is no possibility to have a shaker on the device. That is something I have to ask the vendor and I am not sure if it will be possible.
Seems like it will not work like this.
After looking at the Cyclone, it seems that the machine is specifically designed for the dairy industry’s QC of finished shelf/refrigerator products. I’m assuming you’re using an LB medium at the viscosity of water. As the machine was designed with yogurt in mind, the design of the cyclone does not consider or assume any sample mixing is necessary. However, if Copan is willing to make or upgrade their product, it might be possible to change their large sample carousel to a slow rotational mixer if they reduce the size of the sample receiver and add a small motor. Copan seems like a very customer friendly and custom build type of company, so it could be worth an ask.